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  • #5712

    costo
    Participant

    Since some time it looks like the whole project is about anything except monitoring radiation.

    When I joined more than 3 years ago, I thought this project was about monitoring radio-active radiation in the environment. Now when you open the website and look at the map, you can find radiation at the bottom of the menu, needing extra interaction to display the radiation. The default map shows you a worldwide map of the unit’s temperature.
    This is insane, it is so senseless to display the (internal) temperature of all the units in the world like this is the most important thing there is.
    F.i. my unit is mounted at about one meter high on the outside of my house. Early in the morning the temperature rises to its highest point of the day because the sun is shining on the black enclosure of the unit.

    I’m sorry to say but it looks like radhoo’s and (t)his project has sold out to the fake environmental/global-warming movement. (That’s where the money is)

    #5713

    Radu Motisan
    Keymaster

    Hello Costo, thanks for the message, yet I must admit I have little success in understanding what troubles you: you can still open the map with radiation selected by default: http://uradmonitor.com/?sensor=cpm

    The model A is still part of the portfolio, being one of the best products designed so far. So is the A3, which continues the radiation monitoring legacy.

    Pollution affects more people (about 7million/year worldwide and about half a million per year in Europe) than radiation related incidents did during history. And the numbers are increasing considering where our society and way of living is going.

    So the project tries to help more people, adding more sensors and leveraging on the mature IOT infrastructure developed so far. What’s wrong with that?

    #5715

    costo
    Participant

    Hi Radhoo, my problem is the default opening of the total useless temperature measurements. My sensor is measuring the internal temperature of the unit, that only tells something about the functioning of the device. It says nothing about the environment and has nothing to do with pollution. If you try to convince me that temperature and pollution are in any way correlated with each other, I strongly disagree with you.
    Also if you try to convince me that CarbonDioxide and pollution are the same , I strongly disagree. CO2 is nessecary food for plants, trees fruits etc.

    For me personal I do not care how the website uradmonitor.com looks like, I rarely visit the place. I publish and store my sensordata locally with a RaspberryPi and the opensource homeautomation program Domoticz (Domoticz.com). Sometimes I tell someone who is interested in monitoring hazardous pollution about the site uradmonitor.com. Then they get to see by default the temperature map. I think that is unrealistic.

    #5717

    Wolferl
    Moderator

    Hi Radu,

    If I understand correctly, Costo’s point wasn’t about /his/ sensor, but the /overall map/ when you open the uradmonitor.com main map view. It shows temperature as default, which has no sense IMHO. People who stumble across your website without knowledge about that project and its abilites, should see something more meaningful, like radiation (since all sensors have at least that).
    As far as temperature goes, it would be nice to have a flag that shows if the unit is mounted indoors or outdoors.

    Have a nice day,
    Wolfgang

    #5722

    costo
    Participant

    Radhoo, it does not make sense that you say people can open the website with: http://uradmonitor.com/?sensor=cpm because the same is true for https://www.uradmonitor.com/?sensor=temp.
    You are for some reason insisting on having the temperature as the default sensor. That makes no sense because all the older units measure the temperature inside the mega328 chip, at least my unit does it that way. (Are you being payed for pushing the temperature on top or is something offered to you in the future ?)
    All the units that have an internal temperature sensor will produce inaccurate temperature data so that is data that have nothing to do with the environment

    I am dissappointed that you push fake data and hide the real data (radiation) at the bottom of the menu.

    #5725

    Radu Motisan
    Keymaster

    Hello @wolferl ,

    People who stumble across your website without knowledge about that project and its abilites, should see something more meaningful, like radiation (since all sensors have at least that).
    As far as temperature goes, it would be nice to have a flag that shows if the unit is mounted indoors or outdoors.

    Thanks for your suggestions. I will see what I can do.

    Hello @costo ,

    Are you being payed for pushing the temperature on top or is something offered to you in the future ?

    You must be joking.

    that you push fake data and hide the real data (radiation) at the bottom of the menu

    Sorry, I don’t do that.

    Temperature is simply the first item in the list of sensors. That’s it. The frontend shows the list in order.
    The internal temperature is being compensated and should be very close to the external, real temperature, please check it.

    #5732

    Radu Motisan
    Keymaster

    Hello, I am happy to report that Radiation has been selected as default view. There is also a label under the map, to provide more information on what sensor is presented.

    Please test and provide some feedback.

    #5772

    Wolferl
    Moderator

    Hi Radu,

    Great, that works nicely! I like it!

    Cheers,
    Wolferl

    #5773

    Radu Motisan
    Keymaster

    Thank you Wolferl,

    What other feature would you like to see on the front page?

    #5774

    Wolferl
    Moderator

    Hi Radu,

    Well ok, you asked for it *g*

    – I would prefer to have the “Show offline” checkbox turned off by default. A user wants to see actual data, and your network is big enough to provide an active sensor in the near…well at least in populated ares *g*
    – If a sensor is selected there should be information if the unit is mounted indoors / outdoors / undetermined.
    – The general design has a bit too much gray in it…could use some more colourful maps or so.

    But thats nitpicking on a high level. I already like it how the main page looks now.

    Have a nice day,
    Wolferl

    #5778

    Wolferl
    Moderator

    Hi Radu,

    One more point that is easy to fix: if you select sensor data (left menu) which a sensor doesn’t support (e.g. Noise for a KIT1), the diagram on the bottom should say so. Now it simply shows data from a previous, valid sensor.

    Cheers,
    Wolferl

    #5823

    Wolferl
    Moderator

    Hi Radu,

    The uradmonitor main page does again show “temperature” by default…

    Cheers,
    Wolferl

    #5938

    Sam
    Participant

    I’m now seeing radiation as the default and that is great. But my problem is that if this project is truly a way to monitor the environment then the information has to be accurate. If it isn’t, it totally defeats the purpose of the map and the project. I’ve often scanned the map looking for radiation hot spots. I find many suspicious clusters of units which I suspect are not really environmental readings. Several are in Romania, which I suspect is Radu testing units. Others are in Hong Kong, which I’m guessing is where they are manufactured. There is also a unit in Monaco. Should I be concerned? I don’t know because I have been fooled by other high readings. So I would suggest the following: Have a flag for each thing being monitored that can be set if the unit is actually monitoring the environment. If it isn’t, exclude it from the map. So, for example, my unit monitors radiation, but the temperature is the ambient temperature inside the unit. So the environmental flag for my radiation reading would be set on, and the flag for temperature would be set off. The defaults for all new units should be off. Part of the process of registering a unit would be to have the owner confirm that the unit is installed for public environmental monitoring. Next, there should be a way to contact anyone with a consistently high environmental reading to find out the cause of the reading. Perhaps this could be done with an automated e-mail. If there are several contacts without the owner confirming that the readings are truly environmental readings, the unit would be flagged as suspicious or malfunctioning. There should be a checkbox for showing or hiding these suspicious units. And I also suggest that offline units should not be showing in the default case. Having them appear only makes the data inaccurate. Bad data destroys warning systems. If there is constantly data that would cause alarm, people learn to ignore the data. Then, when there really is a danger, nobody pays attention. Please fix this.

    #5942

    Wolferl
    Moderator

    I totally agree with you, Sam.
    I do find the color markings of radiations with green=0 and deep-red=0.3 µSv/h misleading.
    0.3µSv/h is nothing dangerous, and can be pretty normal (e.g. Radon evaporation in mountain area).
    Red should be used for readings of 1 µSv/h or more.

    Cheers,
    Wolferl

    #5943

    ybm
    Participant

    Hi,

    I am the unit in Monaco and unfortunately for some time the geiger ware indicating crazy readings.
    The whole story is here https://www.uradmonitor.com/topic/a3-radiation-reading/#post-5941

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