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July 16, 2017 at 9:23 am #4618
Radu
KeymasterHello Luc,
Please use the values on the website, there’s a post processing on the server side, compensating for some temperature and humidity aberrations caused by the metal enclosure. Also, as you know, the sensor for these is the Bosch BME680. Bosch has an Air-Quality library that we just received, and we are in the process of integrating it on the server side. Its purpose is similar to what we have already, but designed specifically for their hardware. This will impact VOC readings too, returning Air Quality scores instead of sensor resistance.
For the Noise sensor, I will get back to you later. Please keep the feedback coming! This only helps improve things. Thanks! Radu
July 16, 2017 at 11:42 am #4624ON1GL
Participantwith the “post-processing” it’s useless to try to store the date and make local graphs, so will stop my efforts trying to create graphs, correct gaphs are now out of my league, perhaps some software guru will come up with a solution in the future, ex on a raspberry-pi 🙂
Also have to rethink the plastic housing, that is certainly also influencing some mesureaments.
One (software) option that is missing is a possebility to silence the beep… the unit is outdoor at the streetside … (can always remove it from the pcb if needed).
Keep up the good works !
Luc
July 16, 2017 at 1:28 pm #4625Radu
Keymastercurrently there’s a macro in the firmware that if set will mute the device, but you’re right , we need a config option instead! Added to todo list, thanks.
use the server API to retrieve and store data (www.uradmonitor.com/dashboard).July 19, 2017 at 8:44 am #4638ON1GL
ParticipantNoise sensor,
I wonder if removing the mic from the pcb and placing it outside the metal housing(away from the build in fan) would improve the measurments ?
How did you got that nice noise graph Radu ?July 19, 2017 at 8:51 am #4640Radu
KeymasterThis one?
https://hackaday.io/project/12066-uradmonitor-a3/log/59583-hw105-succesThese were two units placed on the outdoors one next to the other, very close to a moderate traffic road. Daytime traffic became visible due to elevated noise levels.
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July 19, 2017 at 9:00 am #4642ON1GL
ParticipantYes that one 😉
The levels my unit is now recording is close to the fan noise level (35-40 dBA)
Inside the metal housing and inside a plastic weatherproof housing will dampen the noise perhaps to much, will try to move the mic to a hole at the bottom of the outside plastic housing.July 21, 2017 at 7:49 am #4662ON1GL
Participantmanaged to get the mic at the outside of the plastic box, but the results are disappointing 🙁
Noise level without mic connected are around 47 dBA, much to high, is there something wrong with the amplifier circuit or is that software ?
Included are a few pic of the modification.Attachments:
July 21, 2017 at 8:03 am #4666ON1GL
Participantthe only unit i see on the map with an acceptable noise graph is Unit 8200006E in NZ (except for the levels…)
July 21, 2017 at 4:06 pm #4670Radu
KeymasterReading high values without the mic connected is normal in some circumstances. The middle point of the PCM signal would produce a 0 on noise level, but that is not the case with the mic removed we can sometimes be situated at the bottom of the PCM signal, approaching us to a maximum noise value.
Even so, your noise level data doesn’t seem right. It might be a problem with the microphone, it might be a problem with the amplifier, I can’t tell. We would need to arrange shipping the unit back so I can have a look at it.July 21, 2017 at 5:37 pm #4671ON1GL
Participantjust checked all other A3’s with noise chips on the map and they are all the same 🙁
August 2, 2017 at 10:37 am #4702Radu
KeymasterThe noise sensor feature is currently experimental and got a bit too much exposure, also thanks to the forum community here (https://www.uradmonitor.com/topic/voice-sensor/). We got to roll it out a bit too soon, and there are major two issues:
1.Apparently, the issue is with the builtin fan, that creates too much noise in the same enclosure with the noise sensor. What happens is sounds below 45dBA cannot be detected.
2.Then the first boards was using an amplifier gain configuration of 100, a bit too much. This created some saturation, that we can see on the data from the various units.The fix for 2 involves only changing a resistor on the PCB (R28 from 100K to 39K) and updating the firmware. The fix for 1 doesn’t have a solution with the current design.
Attached please see noise-1.jpg illustrating the first issue. 82000071 and 82000088 are assembled and PCB is in the enclosure, while the 82000089 PCB is at first left unassembled.
Probably the best solution is to do the fix with the resistor+firmware, and install the microphone via a longer cable, away from the FAN.Attachments:
August 2, 2017 at 10:57 am #4704Radu
KeymasterIf the sound level of interest is above 45dBA, then all is good, here is an example with a grass cutter machine operating a few meters away from 3 test detectors.
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August 2, 2017 at 11:23 am #4706Terje Andersen
ParticipantI think the cost of the A3 is above what most people feel they can afford, so I guess most will choose the lowest cost option.
Could it be an idea to remove the sound sensor from the A3 unit and try to reduce the cost further by maby removing more sensors from it? Then add a connection that let you add an external module to the A3, so it it possible to upgrade it.
With a sound sensor in this external module the problem would be solved, and the entry cost for the A3 would be cheeper.
Tho it would be more costly to buy a complete set, I guess more people would upgrade over time.Or maby add the sound sensor and connection option to the uRADMonitor model A, and have an upgrade that give what the A3 provides today? I think maby fewer models, but with upgrade option, would be easier to handle in the future.
August 2, 2017 at 12:01 pm #4707Terje Andersen
ParticipantWould be nice if all options could be added via 1 or two upgrades.
After comparing the options, please let me know the price of the City model as well 🙂
August 2, 2017 at 2:11 pm #4711Radu
KeymasterAbsolutely, a modular design could be very useful here, exactly as per your remarks. The issue is that initially the first product, the model A, was rainproof, and there any modularity would overcomplicate the design.
Now that so many hardware variants became available, it makes sense to reconsider modularity.
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